Re: Hosting a Large Number of Node Apps on the IBM i -- WEB400

Aaron and Tim

Thanks

I think that difference between Apache and whatever we port to
PASE is that the Apache run in the ILE environment and not in PASE.

Btw I also believe that the node.js implementation in PASE isn't the
AIX implementation - I seems to remember that there where some
incompatible things in the C code.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Tim Rowe <timmr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Correct. Many of the packages that are out on perzl.org
do work very well on PASE on IBM i. The PASE container really is an AIX
kernel that is imbedded into the IBM i OS. Well, technically side by
side
with a great number of hooks that allow the 2 side to chat. Yes, I have
head of more then one person running the NGiNX on IBM i in this manner.
If you are doing some basic web serving it will be fine. The Apache
server has a number of advantages vs NGiNX (running in this manner) and
its all surrounding the integration to the IBM i OS. Being able to
understand the IBM i security, and file system, built in low level
Caching. But, when you look at using the right tool for the job, the
feature in NGiNX that you are after makes that an interesting choice
when
paired with node.js.

Tim

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Subject: Re: [WEB400] Hosting a Large Number of Node Apps on the IBM i
Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 6:22 AM

Maybe he is running it in PASE

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Subject: Re: [WEB400] Hosting a Large Number of Node Apps on the IBM i

Aaron

I don't see any download for IBM I only for Linux and AIX?

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Aaron Bartell <
aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> I have nginx running on IBM i. You can get it from perzl.org.
> On Oct 14, 2015 4:39 AM, "Henrik R**tzou" <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Gents
> >
> > just because you want to run node.js apache don't disappear.
> >
> > Most of us would probably want to have a mixed environment and no
> > one says that you can't run node.js as a proxy under apache - very
> > similar to routing CGI requests.
> >
> > If you want to load balance your environment you can also put a
> > NGiNX
> > (engine-x) HTTP server in front of both your apache and your
node.js
> > servers.NGiNX is designed to be able to handle C10K+ concurrent
> > requests
> >
> > This means that you are able to run concurrent node.js servers on
> > IBM I very similar to apache's QZSRCGI stack.
> >
> > Remember that node.js is single treaded and will only use one core
> > at the time on any hw-platform.
> >
> > Unfortunately NGiNX hasn't been ported to IBM I yet so you either
> > has to run it in a Linux/AIX LPAR or on another machine.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Kevin Turner <
> > kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > "Routing steps" is probably acceptable terminology, although I
> > > think
> they
> > > are referred to as just "routes". We have to careful not to
> > > confuse
> > routes
> > > within an app with the higher level route to the app in the
first
> place.
> > > The latter is the top level URL:port on which the app is
listening
> > > and
> > the
> > > former is the internal routing to controllers handling the Ui
for
> > > the
> > app.
> > > I am sure Kelly is talking about the top level routing to the
app
> > > and
> how
> > > to handle that as opposed to the question of internal routing to
> > "screens"
> > > within the app.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > On 14 Oct 2015, at 05:03, Nathan Andelin <nandelin@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> We are talking stateless here so you will never have 20.000
> > > >> routing
> > > steps
> > > >> to handle at the same time unless you have millions of
users..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Henrik,
> > > >
> > > > Maybe "routing steps" is not the right term.
> > > >
> > > > All HTTP requests need to be routed to specific JavaScript
> > > > functions
> in
> > > > Node.js.
> > > >
> > > > The idea is to use URLs to "route" requests appropriately.
Say a
> > > > URL pattern such as the following is used to route HTTP
requests:
> > > >
> > > > /major-system/module/application/requested-action
> > > >
> > > > Even a moderately scope system could very well exceed 20,000
> > > > unique
> > URLs
> > > > for more than 20,000 possible JavaScript functions (request
> handlers).
> > > >
> > > > So maybe routing is handled with a a series of nested
conditions:
> > > >
> > > > When URL-major-system = "human_resources" ...
> > > > When URL-module = "payroll" ...
> > > > When URL-application = "maintain_employee_payroll_deductions"
...
> > > > When URL-requested-action = "list_employees" ...
> > > >
> > > > Since you mentioned having a "stateless" environment, that
> > > > raises the likelihood of managing state for each user, and
> > > > possibly for each application identified in a URL. Wouldn't
some
> > > > part of the URL be
> used
> > > as a
> > > > key for saving and restoring user state?
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