Re: Fwd: Reading data

I'm not writing-off Net.Data just yet. Thanks to Peter Connell we use it for file uploads, and more recently for E-mail. Some things are so slick with Net.Data that you simply cannot ignore it. I may not endorse Net.Data for broadly scoped application development, but for that, I wouldn't endorse PHP either.

I do consider Net.Data to be more native than PHP in that it runs under the IBM i native virtual machine, while PHP runs under PASE. There is no single framework that provides all things Web-wise for all people. Let Net.Data have a place.

-Nathan.


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From: Phil McCullough <Phil.McCullough@xxxxxxxx>
To: Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries) <web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Web400@Midrange. Com" <web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Fwd: Reading data

We used net.data for many years running our business-critical websites: serving up eCommerce, taking registrations, tracking continuing-education classes, and many other dynamic functions. While it "worked", we finally moved away from because: 1) it is no longer supported, 2) it has limitations, 3) only a handful of people on this planet know how to make it work, and 4) it does not comform to modern software design paradigms.

My advice for what it's worth --> stay far, far away from net.data; instead, look to the future and invest in modern languages and tools: PHP, ASP.Net, JSP, etc.

Phil

On Jan 19, 2013, at 10:09 AM, "Jon Paris" <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Just as a follow up to my note below - I used the wayback machine and it would seem that the "real" ignite400.org went dark between May 9th, 2008 and August 8th, 2008.

There may be other sites that can help with Net.data but this is the only one I know of and that is clearly no longer useful and indeed ceased to exist 4.5 years ago.



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From: Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: January 19, 2013 9:45:01 AM EST
To: web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Reading data


On 2013-01-19, at 12:22 AM, web400-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Peter, Thank you.  I have been reading through the Net.Data pages.  I
realize now that I have never looked at Net.Data.  It is what I believe
I am looking for.

The IBM documentation I have found so far is not up to the usual high
standards set by IBM.  Also I have heard little buzz about Net.Data and
that has me a bit worried.

But you are using it and like it so my bet is that it will do what I want.

Booth - I really think this is a bad idea for two reasons.

1) Why teach them a tool that is obsolete before they start? It is not supported on any other platform and has not been enhanced in eons. the only support for it used to come from www.ignite400.org but that site no longer exists - that alone should tell you something. having to use the wayback machine to find answers to questions is not goodness.

2) It is no more native than PHP. Both come with the box. But with PHP you have hundreds of web sites, discussions groups, books, college classes, etc. to help you learn. Plus PHP continues to evolve. Try finding help with mobile apps written in Net.Data

By all means teach RPG based techniques but please don't waste people's time on a tool that is going nowhere. For those using Net.Data today it is fine to continue it - but it makes no sense for people starting from scratch.

If you want other alternatives Project WOW will give you the simple editable tables you want and that's free. Same for powerExt and Renaissance and ...


Jon Paris

www.partner400.com
www.SystemiDeveloper.com

Jon Paris

www.partner400.com
www.SystemiDeveloper.com




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